what do you think? i just read an article that says certain chemicals go off about 5 seconds before you consciously make a decision, implying the fact that you really dont have a choice its all based chemically with neurotransmitters and your neurons. i have a psychological/philosophical theory on free will, because i do believe we have a free will.

theory: no doubting the incredible control neurotransmitters have over our mind. being high and drunk are perfect examples at how much your thinking and actions change in these different states, all because of these reactions happening at a cellular level. i believe we have a part of our brain similar to the ego (in psychoanalysis). (skip the next paragraph if you are familiar with the ego).

for those that dont know about the ego its a part of the brain in Freud's theory that is responsible for dealing with the real world and is most of the conscious brain. Freud believed in a conscious brain (what you are aware of and what youre doing), and an unconscious brain (much larger part of the brain in which you are not able to consciously access).

anyway i dont believe that its the ego doing this but a structure in the brain similar to this in the sense that its not a dignified part of the brain but rather on the level of the ego and ideas (they exist but not in a physical sense). this brain structure whatever you want to call it is like the overseeing part of the brain that controls your free will. let me explain a little more i know that doesnt make any sense. the way i see it, is that the chemicals in your brain and shit transmit this info and relay it to the part of the brain I identified. for now lets just call it the will since its main function is free will. anyway neurons transmit this information and the will reads it and chooses whether or not it will go along with the action. i believe the will is mostly in the unconscious but has some ability to communicate with the conscious brain. anyway the will doesnt have control over emotions, it only deals with thoughts and actions. the will goes along with most things transmitted to it anyway, mostly small unimportant actions are made so to prevent stalling it will become passive to all the info. but in times where important decisions are to be made the will steps in and takes a more aggressive approach to analyzing the info presented. Freud believed that the unconscious was much larger than the conscious comparing the two to a tip of an iceberg and the large majority underneath. Its also been cited that the unconscious brain is much smarter and faster at calculating things than the conscious brain (malcolm gladwell). since the will is mostly unconscious it will sometimes notice an error in the decision made and try to convince the conscious brain to decide otherwise. the phenomenon known as this is the feeling in your gut about a certain answer or decision to make; that is the will trying to communicate with your conscious mind and tell you to make a different decision. although as you probably know the gut decision isnt always right but a lot of the time it is. another reason why i believe the will has ties in the conscious brain is because we always have this potential to do whatever we want. say youre walking through your kitchen in the morning and someone in your house is making eggs on a pan. you have the ability and choice to put your hand on the hot pan but you dont. obviously it would be stupid to do something like that but the potential you have to make that move is purely free will and has nothing to do with neurotransmitters.

tell me what you think. do you agree or disagree?
i also apologize if my grammar is shitty, its never good when im high



Comments

 
Wed, 10/26/2011 - 8:30pm

the neurotransmitter thing is very interesting. but we definetely have to have free will, otherwise what would dictate how different people's neurotransmotters made them act? solid man

 
 
Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:20pm
plato Says:

yea, the only reason why i thought about this is because i just read an article that said scientists are getting closer to proving that we dont have free will, and i just wanted to prove that it does

 
 
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 11:33pm

Don't get your hopes up, we are but the products of our environment as are everything else. We didn't have the free will to be born, we didn't have the free will to choose to be a boy or girl. We don't even really know what our "observer perspective" really is. Everything is chance, there is no other way.

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 1:19pm

chance sure but thats not to say free will does't excist
we get an urge to do something, if thats chemical or what ever doesn't matter.
we have free will because we decide how to act because we make a jugment call and decide if something is the right thing to do in that situation. a world where people do whatever they feel it or one where everyone from the same area is bogus, and the world would be alot worse than it is.

 
 
Sat, 12/17/2011 - 7:12pm
Elnicko Says:

Coming from someone who knows nothing about any of this, but is very interested in it.
I often ask myself if humans are "conscious" with their own free will, and I tell myself I must be if I am contemplating the subject, maybe.
I think human free will has a lot to do with "I am going too do what I want" and these feelings of want are what drives us, through the physical body, or a mental state of being within you're own consciousness. Either way it comes down to the fact that humans do what they want, but we don't really control what we want, so how do we control everything we do? Well most of us can't, and don't.
If we are conscious, I think it is a still very limited conscious. Those are my 2 cents anyway.
What a weird phrase, "2 cents". Pennies are no longer worth the copper their made out of.

 
 
Sun, 12/18/2011 - 5:47pm
plato Says:

yea what youre saying is very similar to what descartes said. he wanted to try to prove complex philosophical questions through deduction from simple truths and the first truth he recognized was, "i think and therefore i am."

 
 
Sat, 01/07/2012 - 5:53pm

Ever since the beginning of time and space, you were going to exist. Did you will yourself into this life? No, you struggled into existence like everyone else. Everything you've done was always going to happen, and how can you refute it since your past is exactly as it happened?

You may make conscious decisions in everyday life, but everything you're doing has been predetermined.

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 5:46am

i personally believe this statement is way over rated. its my belief that no matter what there is no exact life you will take. there was a man who came here a few years ago who claimed to be traveling back in time and he said that there really is no actual time. its in fact all dimensions. to put it a simple way he said that right now i have 2 options. i could run out side and get hit by a car or continue typing this. i choose to continue typing this but in another "time" or dimension i ran outside and was slammed by a car. there are infinite possibilities at every second of every life and this man claimed that they all really have happened. that man disappeared a few days later and was never seen again. he had no birth records and basically didnt exist. i choose to believe what he says is true and that in time we will gain the knowledge to travel to different times as he did. i cant remember his name but look it up. if you root through a couple of dumb websites youll come across his real one

 
 
Mon, 01/09/2012 - 5:05pm

hmmm I like this highdea.

But let me say my 2 cents. No pun intended, thanks elnicko.

Alright, so free will comes into play, correct? I like your ideas with the unconscious and the conscious, they're legit. But the part with the eggs in the pan.. that simple example. I wanna try using another one, but at the same time, my logic can just debunk it in either way.

So first off, you walked into the kitchen and you see your sibling making eggs on a pan. But lets just pretend theirs an empty pan to the right, but it's VERY HOT, and you know it's hot. It's about to be the pancake pan. Correct?

Ok i'm gonna start throwing out random examples and questions. Obviously If I had the choice of free will, and I knew that I could go burn my hand, and it wouldn't hurt, I would go do it. Without a doubt. Why not? If it would look funny and heal back in seconds, sure!

But certainly I wont because that will actually hurt me. So try another example; What if I want to put my hand on the counter? or the chair next to it. I think if you use a little bit more clearer of an example, it could come out a bit easier. Doing simple things, I think the conscious of "free will" can explain itself better.

What if you put your hand on the chair? It all seems to be a tad selfish now that I look at it in detail. Alright, so pretend I walk over to the counter and i'm asking my self, do I want to my hand next to that sibling cooking, or on the chair? In my opinion, I don't wanna get near my sibling like that, so I'd rather go with the chair. Then my optimistic mindset would kick in and think about the benefits. Obviously this chair is lower than me, which means I get to sort of lean on it. I get to relax and chill. I like this chair. I'm glad I chose this chair. The word "I" just comes out like nothin. (ego in me)

What if you put your hand on the counter? So pretending I just put my hand on the counter, and i'm next to my sibling. Obviously my sibling would be like "you're fucking too close." or some shit like that. But really, I would be paying attention to the eggs, I would be smelling them and taking in all that is around me. I wouldn't think about the counter that much, I would be thinking of other things. If you actually take into consideration every possible action of every move you do, it seems selfish.

Would I rather put my hand on the table or the wall? Well, the wall. I can lean on it and chillback.

Any time of decision I seem to make up for "free will" I tend just to fall onto a more selfish viewpoint and follow through.

What if free will was like, "Should I save the guy's life who 'accidentally' murdered my wife?"

I think when morality comes out of your "free will" , your unconscious comes out and saves the day. Sadly enough, the ego can block the morality/unconscious extremely well.

Good highdea, you got me thinking.

 
 
Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:32pm

haha i can tell u got baked before posting this
good points though, different situations where the mind makes choices will be taken control of by different parts of the brain, such as the ego or subconscious
another thing relating to quantum mechanics and free will (actually michio kaku said something like this) is that at any given time, a single electron might be at any number of locations
only once a conscious observer or an outside force acts upon the electron does it have a definite location in space/time
that's because everything is a wavelength, absolutely everything, even what seems like the very ordinary and relatively predictable orbit of the planets around the sun are moving in wavelengths
of course the wavelengths are tiny and hardly noticeable on a macro scale, but on a micro scale, everything in the universe is vibrating energy
what does this say about free will?
well, our consciousness can create decisions out of ideas that we formulate using knowledge that we have acquired throughout our lives
yes, our will is limited, we can't do something we aren't capable of doing, and we can't do something based on purely creative thought, all thoughts are based on the culmination of past experiences and knowledge
so to some extent, we have no creativity, but we do have the free will to exercise whatever abilities are within our mind and bodies powers
we can also enhance these abilities by practicing them, for example, i'd like to be a better runner, so if i run more often, i will get better at running
if i don't run more often, i may eventually get worse at running
this is free will, it is not my body or minds choice as to how much i will run, it is my determination and free will that allow me to do so
sure, i base my decision of what to do on factors that my mind presents me, but ultimately, i am like the president of my body, i can veto any idea that i dislike
my subconscious is like congress, debating over what would be the best course of action to follow

 
 
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 1:10am
81st Says:

Jesus fucking christ, why isn't this popular?

 
 
Fri, 01/20/2012 - 8:18pm
Elnicko Says:
 
 
Tue, 01/24/2012 - 8:47pm
Elnicko Says:

OK, after listening to some lessons on this shit sent to me by EvolveLife this makes a lot more sense.

I really think this is evidence of a body/mind separation of some sort, dualism I think its called.
After sitting here trying to do something random I realized that I have to first know what I am going to do, allow my brain to process that information, and send it back to the mind for me to actually grasp the concept of these motions, and their effects on everything else before I make them. It is impossible to make a decision without first knowing what that decision is.

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 2:35am

My only problem with the idea of free will is this: even if we do make a decision based on preference/prior knowledge/whatever, that decision was always going to be made. It's kind of like looking at your life like it's a youtube video. You may only be in the middle of the video (present), but that doesn't mean the future isn't already set. I'm high so tell me if this makes sense.

 
 
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 2:16am

I agree with everything you said except the concept that chemicals are some kind of outside control that runs our minds. who's to say those chemical reactions aren't the primal form of thought, just in a sense that we can't perceive? They're a part of you, they're caused by you. Don't rule out free will just because the reactions have patterns they alternate by, most people that have 'free will' have some kind of daily routine they live by too, so what makes it any different?

 
 
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 10:23pm

i feel that if organized religion or western religion is true than there is no free will.

 
 
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 10:38pm
zonk Says:

other than it being a massive wall of text, i liked it. and i completely agree with you.

 
 
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 11:16pm

But the thought to act exists long before the actual action.

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 2:39am
cdmak1 Says:

Would someone please tell me what this says so i don't have to read all of it

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 2:48am
 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 2:52am

SO MANY LETTERS WHICH MAKE UP WORDS THAT I CAN NOT READ but hey.... i rather have a cookie

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 4:15am

idk kinda killed my buzz buut im pretty fucckin hugh

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 4:29am
arcon Says:

I was all excited to have a high discussion on this but then i saw how much text is here.......

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 5:51am

you people complain too much. this man holds a strong point. how valid it is i can disagree with but im absolutely certain there is no such thing as free will. look at it this way. i want to kill someone. i do it. im in jail. how is that free will??

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 8:11am

Have you ever been soooo stoned that you literally just CAN'T read something like this? I want to read but I just can't focus. I'm sure this will be a good one, so I'm saving it until tomorrow when my mind isn't so... High. Deal?

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:23pm

I MADE THIS POPULAR!!! hell yea! ifeel so special, and yea i really find this aninteresting subject, free will is a very hard phrase to define and relate to sa human beings

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 2:21pm
taggles92 Says:

Basically we have a free will because we choose what decisions we make, we just don't choose the fact that we will be making a decision... Good thinking :)

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 7:35pm
tyloess Says:

"skip this paragraph if you know what the ego is" I felt smart after reading this. hahaha thank you for that

 
 
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 9:57pm

Free will is an existential philosophy thing. But I don't want to get into that.

 
 
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:25pm
johnAJ Says:

your not high but this is interesting

 
 
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 3:33pm
Elnicko Says:

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