1) What if some sort of all knowing, God-like being existed in the universe but just couldnt find us? What if it created this universe and thought it created life but thought it failed? I mean, if you dont know where life is, its logically impossible to find it. If you really think about it, even if there are millions of planets just like us, and trillions of species just like us, the population of our universe is still zero. Because there is an infinite amount of space, and plausibly infinite number of planets, hence dividing any number of species by infinity would still equal Zero(well, it would equal an actual number that is as close to 0 as possible without being 0).

2) Imagine a person born in a room, and than kept in that room for their entire existence. Imagine that this person was taught to speak and eat and learn everything we have learned(except for the fact that a world outside of this room exists or has ever existed). So to speak, the entire universe of this person will be this room. They will be intelligent just like the rest of us, and able to create theories inside of their head just like us. Now, what if you opened the door to this person after an X amount of time. How would this person react? What will this person think of this new reality that he/she had never witnessed before? Remember they are an intelligent being; how would their brain process this new information. Now, take a breathe, and imagine this; What if we are inside this sort of "room" and have been our entire lives. What if someone opens the "door". What do YOU possibly think would be outside? What if the universe we perceived, is absolutely wrong and it has always been just a "room". How would you react?

3) You ever really think about the brain? Its just like, sitting up there, in complete darkness, just making every movement and thought possible. It has never actually witnessed the real world, its always just sat there, in complete darkness, for its entire existence. And yet it has such a fundamental grasp of reality. Or does it? DOES IT?

And i'll leave you with this. I woke up one morning with this thought written on my dream journal. I stared at it for a long time before I could even comprehend it at all. Enjoy:

Is it possible to answer a question that cannot be answered? Or to question and answer that can not be questioned?



Comments

 
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 4:17am
yoinkie Says:

I knew I was going somewhere with all of this when I started writing, I just completely forgot where. Do you ever think about a thought, and then slowly lose the thought, and than all of a sudden the thought is completely gone, and you're just left sitting there thinking "what the fuck was I just thinking about?" I wonder where those lost thoughts go, theres probably some secret room.

Also, my title looks like it says "from dankness to dankness". I approve this message.

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 11:59pm
Gizmodo Says:

Answering your last quote from your dream journal. The reason why psychedelics are so hard to describe is this (how I view it)

A shroom trip thought process is your mind asking questions that cannot be answered
Acid thought process is answering questions that can't be asked.

If you guys ever do it, remember that

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:02pm
shoreshack Says:

That's definitely the best way i've ever heard both of those being described.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 3:21am
Spatycakes Says:

and then sometimes the thought just randomly pops into your head again later. what caused it to resurface? because i sure as hell didn't remember what the thought was (consciously anyway)

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 2:30pm
billyp918 Says:

Is it just me or does number 2 sounds similar to Plato's allegory of the cave??

 
 
Sun, 05/13/2012 - 4:11pm
dudebroman Says:

yeah man pretty much the same idea. I was thinking that too.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:43pm

yes that happens to me alot. sometimes i feel like those r the best thoughts. what if in the matrix theorie of life the controlers had the ability to take thoughts out of our heads like an internal censor ship created by the system

 
 
Thu, 04/26/2012 - 12:47am
pants Says:

All the time, unfortunately. But it's slightly less annoying when you think of it it terms of mario kart http://highdeas.com/offbeat/snes_mario_kart

 
 
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 2:55pm

http://i.qkme.me/EH.jpg

Lol nah i'm playing with you yoinks, but I do agree. At times before I fall asleep, I think of the most in-depth hypothetical situations that my brain controls. It's almost ridiculous thinking about some stuff. It's cool to wander to that side of the darkness though.

 
 
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 5:39pm
LemonSkunk Says:

2. About the person raised in a room cut off from the rest of the world... I think that person would question everything being taught to him/her. If you teach the person all about our world they will have nothing to reference. You can tell him about animals and history and science but without actually seeing things, the person probably wouldn't make connections. BUT, when you did open the door to our world to the person, it would probably be euphoric. Like a rebirth into the most beautiful place ever. Realistically, most places would be awesome compared to a small room that you spent most of your life in. Now, if somebody opened a door for me and I was able to see everything else that exists everywhere in the galaxy, solar system, etc. I would be baffled. I'd want to learn everything I could about the new worlds. I think they would be different types of planets. Like a jungle planet, war planet, sex planet, and so much other stuff that we don't even know about.

3. I think the brain has a fundamental grasp of reality. It knows what the senses send to it. So if learns or sights, scents, touch, smell and so on and then records all of this stuff in some kind of ginormous filing system. Speaking of this filing system, it would be great if we could recall any memory we wanted.

And that last bit from your dream journal is pretty funny. Idk why but it makes me laugh. I suppose you can really answer any question. You might not be correct but you sure as hell can answer anything. As for questioning an answer that can't be questioned....No way. We, as human beings, question everything. It's our natural instinct. So you have not only the ability, but the right to question anything.

That's some deep stuff Yoinkie, it really got me thinking.

 
 
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:29pm
yoinkie Says:

Thats all good stuff right there man. heres another approach to #2 I was thinking about, but didnt really articulate all that well(I wrote this highdea at 2am on a sunday morning, use your imagination to figure out what state I was in). Anyways, what if this person was lead to believe that this room WAS the entire universe, atleast for them. What if they werent taught about animals or trees or anything, but just taught about their mind body and soul, and the room. Would they be able to comprehend what is outside the door when it does open? Their entire existence, their brain has been led to believe that the room was it, the beginning the middle and the end. What would go through their mind when they see the real world? Would they even be able to comprehend it?

Im having trouble articulating my thoughts on this one. I dont know why, its just a very complex situation, I guess. If you dont catch my drift, ill try and come back and try again.

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 5:29pm
LemonSkunk Says:

I have no idea. I don't think anybody truthfully knows. We're just left to assume. I would guess that the person would not be able to cope. Like the dude would be afraid of EVERYTHING. In a small room you're not taught self-defense and communication because it's not necessary. (Is this person being taught in this room by another human? or videos/books?) Anyways I don't think this person could grasp the concept of living in a world as crazy as ours. This guy might love what he saw and make every single effort to come to grips with this new life or he might just off himself because he can't deal with all the bullshit. He'd need a best friend to teach him things, that's for sure. I feel like this kind of scenario has come up in a movie. Or at least it would make a funny movie.

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 7:12pm
yoinkie Says:

I think the person would suffer from the worst case of opposite-claustrophobia. Im sure theres a legit term for someone whose afraid of open spaces, but lets just call it opposite-claustrophobia cuz, well, im lazy to google it. Ive suffered from claustrophobia a few times in my life, and its such a crazy terrible feeling, like you cant even breathe even though air around you is normal.

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 2:17pm
stayblazin Says:

Damn yoinkie, your posts never cese to amaze me. Im really big on Philosophy at the current moment so this kind of stuff always makes my mind wonder. I think the kid raised in the room without contact is still more intelligent about the rest of the world than most youth these days. Especially where I live because my state is controlled by the Mormon religion so this kind of questioning is regarded as utter nonsense and we all are supposed to believe God put dinosaur bones on Earth to throw us off, and they actually never existed...

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 2:12pm
stayblazin Says:

I'm gonna correct my spelling before someone else does... *cease

 
 
Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:02pm

"Doesn't it bother anyone that there may be a trickster god running around laying dinosaur bones everywhere 'You idiot I can't believe you fell for that shit' 'but it all seemed so plausible'" - Bill Hicks (Something along those lines)

 
 
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 6:06pm

There was this girl who was kept in a room by her father for the first 13 years of her life. She had no idea about language, or norms of society, or even that there was a world around her. She had the minimum living conditions in that room and she was strapped to one of those training potty things for toddlers. She was finally found after all that time and she was adopted by some couple that tried to take care of her and teach her about the world and how to act. Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEnkY2iaKis
It's kinda fucked up now that I think about it

 
 
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Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:01pm

1. That number wouldn't just be really small it would be getting smaller as the universe expands.
2. That sounds a lot like Plato's cave allegory, I would say check it out but I have a feeling you already did.
3. Not to mention your brain keeps secretes from you it makes me wonder is ones subconscious conscious... That could be another highdea I might just write this is a good train of thought

 
 
Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:29pm
yoinkie Says:

yup, small is an understatement. You would have to go 0.000000000^trillion*trillion*trillion*trillion before you even hit a digit that isnt zero. As far as im concerned, that number is zero, and zero is the population of the universe as a whole. Yes I have read Plato's allegory, but I was thinking more about a part from "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" when I was writing this. In the 3rd or 4th book(Cant remember which one), Arthur and the gang learn about this new planet that is bent on destroying the universe. The reason for this is because their planet had always been surround by this thick cloud, through which nothing could be seen, ever. So to this planet, as far as they were concerned or ever knew, their planet WAS the entire universe. And then one day a ship came crashing through those cloud and this cause the gas clouds to part ways allowing the species to witness the actual universe for the first time ever. Douglas Adam kind of talked about what they must have thought, and I just couldnt get that out of my mind. An entire planet had never known what the actual universe was, and then one day, they saw it. I couldnt grasp how they felt, or how they reacted, or how their brain would even grasp what it was seeing. And ya, that kinda spurred the whole man in a room thing. Im still having an impossible time trying to imagine how a brain would grasp something it has always deemed impossible or non-existant. And finally, the subconscious is fucking insane, and I agree that it definitely has a mind or conscious of its own.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:14pm

In a universe where life statistically doesn't exist, it seems as though our importance is
actually significant, even though the universe doesn't even notice us.

And I have to re watch the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, I barely remember anything from it.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 4:11am

wow yoinkie, this is one beast of a highdea
i'd say at least 2 and 3 are worthy of their own posts

#1 has me confused though... i've never thought of god as something separate and outside of the universe. most definitions of god also describe god as omnipotent, so even numbers like trillions are tiny for god to contemplate. another important quality of a god is that they are immortal, so time is irrelevant to them, any task is attainable with infinite time to spend achieving it. and god probably doesnt even function within the constraints of time, being separate from the dimensions of space which time arises from. time is nothing without space, it is a product of the expansion of the big bang and the chemical reactions that occur due to phenomenon somewhat explainable by science. so reality, at least the physical reality, isn't actually that mysterious. but what is beyond the physical, what our brains cant detect through the sight sound or touch, is the sense of the spiritual world of ideas. i think the physical is a product of the spirit world of ideas, and spirits manifest themselves in physical forms, as humans are like 'demi gods' in physical human form. we are in these forms learning spiritual truths through physical experiences, on our way to enlightenment in a higher realm of existence than the physical. this is all fairly speculative and untestable of course, but maybe after we die we are in the spirit world for a while, and if we have more spiritual lessons to be learned before transcending to "heaven" then we are reborn at whatever life-form we are best suited to take form in. so if we reach towards higher enlightenment, maybe we'll reincarnate as a human in the future, maybe a descendant, actually i believe that is very much most likely. however, i think when it comes to humanity, we have a collective consciousness because we can unite our spirits in this world and the next with love, and it allows us to be reborn in the bodies of other people's ancestors. actually, come to think of it, pretty much all of us are related at one point or another, so we technically are all family to some extent.

here's a theory i've had for a little while now, that ive been waiting to refine before posting.. but here's a summary of it for now
what if heaven is on earth, and it is created by the collective human consciousness which is literally a web created by the living human beings on earth. consciousness transcends the human brain, it has been tested by noticing the impact a human in proximity of a random number generator creates. the random number generators, without fail, continue to produce "less random" numbers when a human is near by and concentrating on something. a scientist organized an experiment where labs all over the world set up random number generators and sent their data to be analyzed. the effect of human consciousness on random number generators across the world was spiked just before and lessened just after the attack on 9/11. one of the most tragic moments in modern american history, on our own ground, millions if not billions across the world mourned for the losses and concentrated fiercely on everything that happened, because it was real and important and mattered to humans worldwide. our consciousness was collectively working on understanding the situation, we were shocked into the realities of life, the fact that bad things can happen and people do die by the thousands for no good reason. i believe as we near the end of 2012 random number generators might begin to spike again, for what reason i really have no idea, but i think even if there is no disaster, we should all go into 2013 with an eagerness to persevere no matter what happens in the coming year.

anyways uhm... i got really sidetracked but my theory continues like this:
maybe human consciousness creates a realm of "ideas" and "thoughts" in which "human consciousness" can experience during some parts of life and then fully after death. maybe that consciousness is "recycled" into new "meat machines" because that's all a body really is, as science has continued to prove. but there is something within a human being that science has failed to touch, their is a part of us that can second-guess the intuitions of the mind, we can use our higher senses and higher awareness to approach life with the curiosity of a child and the wisdom of a monk if we follow the right paths towards enlightenment. people have done it before, and we are all people, cycling through these ever evolving bodies that constantly changes to suit our ways of life. when we are physical often, our bodies adapt and get stronger. when we think a lot, our brain get's better at thinking, when we do anything a lot, we get better at it, it's in our nature to evolve, all of that happens from the will of our spirit to actually DO those things, but it's made possible by our bodies. for example, if our body and brain takes care of everything, why are some people so stupid and fat? i hope i'm not being offensive, but if someone literally has those qualities and is not living towards bettering themselves in those areas, then their brain obviously isn't in control of their actions. many people these days have lazy spirits, and that's alright, i've got one too sometimes... im pretty sure all stoners have a bit of a lazy kid in them ;) but anyways, my point is that it's our spirit and the will to live that makes these meat bodies do anything, science can't touch on that. sure, neurological processes /conditioning determines alot of the reasoning / etc. but ultimately it's the spirit who meditates on the big choices and determines the ultimate fate of an individual. a spirit can spend weeks sleeping or weeks on crack living life at 100 mph but either way each spirit is ultimately in charge of their own fate.

on that note, i think god is all around us and within us, and we are god, god isn't something separate from anything. god is the period at the end of that sentence, god formed the physical and constantly provides the energy to create anything to be considered existence. maybe none of thats true but maybe it is, i guess we'll find out once we die... but at the moment i can only be sure that i exist. and, being that i don't let my ego cloud my judgement in this matter, i can safely say i'm not the only one who exists. if more than me exists, than something must have formed me and other things in a similar and connected reality. if we are both connected to reality, we are connected to each other, and thus are both the same. we are both creations of nature, both human creations in fact, we feel similar emotions and experience many things together. we fall in love and raise a family together, our children grow up and wonder if they're the only one's who actually exist...

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:42pm

you're theories are interesting. I'm glad your mixing the physical universe with the transcending spiritual one too.

“We dance round in a ring and suppose, / But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.”
― Robert Frost

People are walking in circles everyday, and no one knows what the fuck they're doing.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 4:31am
yoinkie Says:

you bastard, I read for so long before I figured out you were trying to sell me something. I thought you were just high as hell, talking about mermaid fashion haha

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:31am

This comment can be summed up in one word: weird.

Number 1 is weird to think about. On such a large scale it seems impossible, but if you break it down it's no different than creating a word document containing characters organized into words and paragraphs that all together have this great meaning. Carefully constructed and planned out, so the combinations of straight and rounded lines have meaning and don't just sound like mouth farts on a white background. Imagine creating that document and all of its contents only to accidentally save it in a place you didn't mean to. I can't tell you how many times I've saved and closed a file thinking it would be on my desktop only to freak the fuck out in that brief moment I couldn't find it.

Number 2 is even weirder to think about. If the room was plain, there are so few things they could possibly experience in there that opening the door would cause sensory overload. Forget about the things they could learn, think only about the experience. The smells, textures, people, taste, temperature, sounds, everything. Things theyd never experienced before and didn't even know existed. You know that feeling you get when you try a new food, or find a really soft blanket, or see something, whether it's an abstract painting or conceptual sculpture that just makes you wonder how you'd never thought of that, that would be a permanent feeling for that person.

Number 3, is the weirdest thing to think about ever. This gooey, mushy, tissuey fucking blob inside our skulls controls us. Everything you've ever thought, that voice you're hearing when you read this sentence, that's your fucking brain. To even think about how it functions or it's potential, you need to use it. How fucking weird is that? That's like if you didn't know how to use a computer and the only tool in existence capable of teaching you how to use one, was a fucking computer.

The last question is weird too man. I wrote a highdea a week or two or idk how many weeks ago that ended similarly.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 4:37pm
yoinkie Says:

Man if you really think about it, every concept no matter how basic, is fucking weird. I mean, like gravity... How fucking weird is that shit! Yet its so basic and a constant.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:22am
cannaBE Says:

question about the population of the universe... because the universe is infinite, the quantity of other species or other planets also has to be infinite, right? there isn't trillions of planets, or googles of species, there's infinite amounts of them. because saying that there are less planets than universe, which, while intellectually makes sense, would still be trying to put a number on the planets and species and... you know, other things that make up the universe. and to me, that defeats the entire university-ness of the universe (and not like, college-university. huh. i never thought of that word-awkwardness before. i'm glad that the universe is not like a university, but i don't really get how that word has universe in it. whatever.) it's possible that i'm wrong here, as i have no clue, but whenever i try and even assign any type of number or concept to the universe at all, i have to stop myself, because i'm losing the fact that i can't comprehend the universe in the slightest.
but i loved this post. thank you for smoking and thinking these things and giving them to us.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 2:28pm

I only read the first part of this highdea and was completely disgusted by your stupidity that i will not even satisfy my curiosity of how far your idiocracy goes to read the rest. There are (from what we know now) an infinite number of galaxies in our universe and billions even trillions of planets in each of those galaxies. The population of our universe is currently about 7 billion. You illiterate dolt.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 5:07pm
yoinkie Says:

Lol, did this guy just try and troll the troll king? I don't have time to reply right now, but while you wait please try and decide how wide you want me to rip your asshole, or if you would rather prefer me ripping you a brand new one. K thanks, see you shortly!

Edit: K, im back. oh man, where to begin with this fool. First, yes, we know that there are an infinite number of planets in the universe because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. But we also know that not all of these planets are inhabited, from the mere observation of the known galaxy around us. From that, we can conclude that the average population of all planets is as near to zero as can be, because any finite number(no matter how immensely large you can imagine it) divided by inifinity is still very close to zero. Following that logic, we can say that the population of the universe as a whole is also zero. I know you probably don't understand that as your intelligence shows clearly in your post because:

1) you called me illiterate. The mere fact that I type WORDS should be a clear indication to anyone with basic intelligence that I am, in fact, not illiterate.

and 2) You said the population of our universe is 7 billion. Even a child whose just learning how to speak would know that this is simply an idiotic guess at the population of the universe, and could give you a better guess at the population of the universe. Does your small mind really think there are only 7 billion total creatures inhabiting this planet? Did you forget that bugs and insects and animals and basteria and millions forms of life exist? So you're telling us that all of this equals 7 billions? How retarded does one have to be to guess that? There is over a trillion KNOWN population in the universe, and even that guess is low considering that there are probably over a trillion insects alone.

You're post made me laugh and gave me good insight at how stupid someone can be. You will forever be the benchmark of idiocracy that I measure future people against, but im guessing that you will probably reign supreme for a while.

Boom, roasted, bitch. Come at me again, I fucking dare you.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 5:59pm

Did you ever learn what contractions were?

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 6:29pm
yoinkie Says:

yup. Contraction: what your mom had one day while she thought she was taking a shit, but instead you popped out. She thought about flushing for a while, but decided against it because she didnt want her toilet clogging.

Keep coming at me bro, this is fun!

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 4:30pm
Stoned_Ape Says:

It would be a moral quandary, but if you wanted, you could find a person willing to donate sperm and a woman able to carry a child through in vitro fertilization, only to seal it in a room for its entire life, releasing it at a certain age. In fact you could run this experiment with lots of donor babies and change factors like age of the person when they exit, how they are introduced to things (screen vs. human contact). And then judge how those factors affect people based on their reactions to the door opening. Their reaction could then be analyzed and applied on a grander scale to give us a good hint what would happen on a personal level at least (which could then just be adapted to a global scale) if those of us in the world were to find out the answers to some of these questions. But that's one hell of a moral question, to put somebody through that, damn.

 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 6:55pm
 
 
Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:35pm
Daankbudzz Says:

Imagine if all those "lost" thoughts came rushing back at you? To comment on one of your thoughts: As far as the universe only being the room you lived in and what you were previously taught, how would you reconcile the things you know about that exist outside the door? Geography, Botany, Biographies, History, Art & Music, Fiction wouldn't exist because they all were created outside the door ... unless you were taught that it was created by some other universe that was left for you to ponder. And where would you get your food and water from? And who is bringing you that food? Wouldn't you wonder? Maybe you would have highly developed Extra Sensory Perception, but if you did, you would be able to communicate with other beings. Maybe I'm missing the point. But I like what it makes me think about. It makes me wonder what parts of the universe I am shut off to and what possibilities might be out there if I simply opened the door.