um.. 'sexual permissiveness as a social control tool'

i was reading this interesting theory the other day based on freud's theory of sublimation- what freud believed was that everything, all of our compulsions and desires and where we put our energy, is at root based on sexual desire .. newton and tesla (e.g.) were lifelong virgins, and according to freud's idea, they wouldn't have managed to achieve nearly as much as they had done if they'd put their energy towards sex as well as research .. the idea is that our minds are like steam engines, and when 'steam', sexual pressure, starts building up and can't get out the proper way, it'll find another way out .. huxley had basically the same idea, but from the opposite viewpoint, in brave new world where everyone had to take part in scheduled sex play, it was so they'd use up their energy that they might have put towards thinking about how their world's run

now.. in the 1960s, there was this sociologist called herbert marcuse who started to wonder why the hippies hadn't managed to achieve what they said they would, a new utopian society, all that stuff .. and he hypothesised that the sexual revolution actually served the status quo, rather than undermining it, because where people would have been upheaving society, they were putting their energy to sex in stead .. he called his idea 'repressive desublimation' .. and look at the products of the sexual revolution, it's been shanghaied by marketers and pornographers .. we're living in huxley's brave new world man, they've given us these socially acceptable, rationed forms of rebellion to keep us docile.. we're too comfortable to ever revolt.. they've put us in a gilded cage.. the nazis had it exactly right with their maxim 'arbeit macht frei', labour makes you free, trading hard work for a comfortable life of instant gratification whenever you want it is effectively sacrificing your liberty

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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 2:03pm

That's very interesting. It makes me want to stop jerking off haha. But seriously, I feel the same way about how we have this contempt feeling that our lives are good, which compared to the rest of the world is true, but really we are being farmed by the government. They give us just enough "leisure" time to make us work hard almost every day, and so that we think we are the best country and go fight in wars that are ultimately not even necessary. The government says don't smoke weed cause its "harmful" to us but they don't even give a single fuck about us. they just want us to produce all their goods and make all their money

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 2:05pm

Oh, and I see what you mean about the sexual permissiveness, almost everything you see on tv is sex related. We are just being brainwashed more and more everyday

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 5:23pm
bakayurei Says:

yea yea exactly, it's like brave new world, we've been made so comfortable and our energy's being wasted on instant gratification so that we'll maintain the status quo.. and whether it's a good or a bad thing that this is the way it is is a different question, but that's how it is anyway

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 12:18am

I read stuff about how the C.I.A distributed LSD and other drugs in San francisco during the hippie movement to take people minds off of what that movemnent was originally all about. The movement was a bunch a of college kids protesting Vietnam. Kids were coming of age and being drafted so they started doing something about it. Then it became about drugs and Hendrix, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you get the picture

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 11:24am
bakayurei Says:

yea it's a similar kind of thing to that, taking your energy that you could be putting to something worthwhile, and wasting it on sex.. or in other cases, getting high and sitting around, but i think that's a different thing, don't think that's sublimation

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 2:04pm

i read that nixon wanted to get rid of all these protestors and all these protestors were smoking weed and dropping lots of acid so he simply made a war on drugs and stopped the protests. but what do i know i wasnt around then

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:18pm
MrFeelgood Says:

The CIA didn't spread LSD but they did play a big part in its immersion into culture. They used LSD in the MKULTRA experiments and others at colleges, and the people who were experimented on were the ones who eventually ended up spreading it to the rest of the world.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 11:16pm

Funny that you mentioned the CIA's MK Ultra experiments.

Just the other day I watched "The James Holmes Conspiracy" video on YouTube. Not sure if this is where you learned of these experiments, but it was for me.

It's a documentary on how James Holmes was completely brainwashed by the CIA to commit that mass shooting in the Colorado movie theater, all in an attempt for the criminal Obama administration to confiscate our firearms, and increase the public's irrational fear of guns.

I really encourage everyone to watch that documentary. Like...people REALLY need to watch it. You'll learn just how important of a person James Holmes, and his family, were to the government, and how badly they want to get rid of the Second Amendment.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 10:22am
meghan333 Says:

i have been thinking the same thing. and i think i figured out how they did it.
this drug leaves the victim completely unable to resist persuasion and remembering nothing. it would be only too easy for the government to slip this drug to the right people, the already weird, untrusted people... and arm then and tell them to go shoot a theater or a school or a mall up... whipping up mad support for gun control in the process. its never good when a country tries to disarm its citizens...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 3:00pm

Hell yeah there was even a segment in that documentary that discussed that drug.

They interviewed a man that dealt the drug, and he said it happens all the time. People will walk up to someone on the street, the drug is in a powder form, and they just POOF blow it in the person's face. Within minutes, the person is susceptible to any kind of suggestions. They'll tell the victim, "I want your money, your credit cards, your checkbook. Take me to your home so I can take your belongings."

And the person just agrees and does what he/she is told. Scary stuff.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 3:59pm
meghan333 Says:
i thought this should have its own highdea...

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 6:53am
MrFeelgood Says:

Well on these issues the last people you can trust are the media, they always have something to gain by spreading stories like this. I do think its possible through a drug called scopalamine but i dont know enough to judge and i'm not going to arrogantly assume i know the answer. i do think its fishy for a neuroscience major to go all attention whore serial killer, its way out of character for anyone that analytical. I actually found out about MKULTRA from my own research, the same kinds of experiments are being done in state funded "treatment centers" in utah only out in the open instead off off the books. they're taking advantage of court ordered juvenile sentences and virtually non-existent child abuse laws. MKULTRA already disproved their bogus theories about mind control but the experiments still go on; isolation, sensory deprivation, humiliation, trauma based methods and all manner of drugs and behavioral modification.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 1:12pm

I read a brave new world and 1984 back to back on a mushroom binge sophomore year in college.

We are certainly living in this anesthetized sexual sublimated world without consequences, sex is what keeps us in line, it keeps us happy and focused on the mundane. The hippie revolution fizzled out because they were satisfied with what they had already created, sexual freedom. They're ideals spread far beyond the sexual revolution obviously but by the time they achieved that they were satisfied, burnt out and burdened by the realities of this capitalist society we cannot escape from.

it's certainly time for another revolution but the masses are not unified on what it should be about, it is extreme on either end of the spectrum, ranging from total government control guns disappeared, police force increased, the NSA, TSA, CIA and FBI running the country fiercely monitoring everything we do as a populace, to the other extreme of total annihilation of all government around the world and instantly establishing a worldwide anarchy from which pure utopian socialism can arise.

but unfortunately it'll never happen..... We, the countries with the most power to do so, are the most satisfied and unwilling to change.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 2:51pm
bakayurei Says:

yea yea exactly, we're just too comfortable to want to rock the boat, tho i'm certain it'll all have to change eventually, this transitional period can't be our proper future, it's just the transition to the future, and we're going to have to actively bring the future we want in to being, and that's a massive responsibility on all of us.. also- you can read on mushrooms? hahaha

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:12pm

Sometimes yes, but my friend got some blue caps one time and said they're really strong, so naturally I ate a bunch if em, probably like 5 grams I went outside with my book, opened it up and i rember seeing all the letters slowly moving around the page, so I grabbed my ukulele instead

but I really don't think we can have any profound affect on the status quo, there is nothing we can do as everything has been globalize to such a extent it would take an event far greater than any one of us can orchestrate to shake the foundations. Other than that, scientists are going to continue to come out with incredible technologies, governments will seek more control, and people are going to die for no reason unless we can unite the world under some marvelous invention that will skew the future to such a degree that any change is possible. But it'd have to be sustainable fusion, or some other incredible power source or free energy cars... I don't know, but it'd have to be BIG

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 1:20pm

holy shit i just realized how long this was after i posted it and now im editing it to ad more to apologize for rambling. thanks for reading this monster of a comment if you do decide to. big ideas dont use big words. just lots of them

all this talk reminded me of one of my trips haha. i ate about a quarter, usually i eat like an 8th, and this time i was frying harder than ever before on mushrooms. at the peak of my trip everything just seemed to click and make sense. whatever questions i had about the universe i was immediately able to think of an answer. if only i could put all these thoughts into words.

anyways one of the those thoughts that is a lot easier to explain was when i thought deeply about industrialization and what it has done to us. especially the scientific community. people work so hard trying to prove whats right and whats wrong in this physical universe. they put in so much time and energy. i thought it was hilarious at how hard people try to work just to create a drug such as lsd. i know its one of the hardest to make and the results can be well worth the work. then i thought of communities that were completely undeveloped whether it be in todays world or ancient civilizations. they would just go out there into nature and find these mind altering drugs instead of trying to make them.
what exactly are we accomplishing here?
is the purpose of this life to learn and become as educated as we can about the physical world?
we really don't spend that much time in it relative to the time of the universe. we are not only physical beings but spiritual as well. which do you think is more important? the physical part of us that lasts no longer than a century or the spiritual side which lasts forever.

i dont understand why people push so hard to advance technology. it will barely be with you before you're gone. it only allows people to be lazier and gives more opportunity for more population growth which is exactly what we dont need. the more people there are on this earth the less significant we feel as individuals which isnt healthy.

i feel there is a significant correlation with population and technology. the more people there are the more there is to discover. yes, nothing new has been added but not everyone has the time to look in every corner of the universe. we can also take past knowledge and apply it today and make the necessary changes as we learn more.

the more comfortable we become the less likely we will have the urge to learn more to make our living situation better. there will always be some people thirsting for knowledge and wanting to know more but after we learn so much, technology isnt really going to advance much further. we will just learn to manage our resources more wisely.

then i think we will start focusing more on our spiritual side. why we do the things we do and what the purpose of this life is. just like we did before all this technology. the consciousnesses of the brain are so unknown to us still its crazy to think about. i believe our subconscious/unconscious brain is holding all of lifes secrets all inside each and every one of us. and we are all connected in some form of a collective consciousnesses. i cannot describe to you how many things seemed to sync together and make sense at my peak. when i would have a desire for food/weed/cigarette/ whatever, all of which i had none, they would be immediately offered to me. it felt like i just went insane and now live in a perfect world.

you see my profile picture? its called the flower of life. theres a ton of meaning behind it. anyways the first day i discovered it i decided i was going to get it tattooed on my back. i ask my friend about it because he is more knowledgeable about this stuff than i am and i wanted to know how much it would cost. turns out he was planning on getting the same tattoo in the same place and neither of us ever mentioned anything about it before. this is the same friend whom i've had a couple crazy shroom and acid trips with. also he was the one who supplied me with the food weed and cigarettes like i was talking about earlier. it just leads me to believe everything is connected to each other much more than we think.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 1:48pm

just had another thought. all major technological advances began under the influence of drugs. it is mushrooms that is believed to give us much of our intelligence back in the ancient years. lsd also gave us many new breakthroughs. im not saying everything was discovered because of drugs but its just an idea to play around with. so maybe through all this technology we are meant to discover something that will bring us a new purpose/understanding to life

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 9:05pm

They think a catalyst for the evolution beyond homo ergaster was the ingestion of magic mushrooms.
I'm gonna finish reading this after work

I've had a very similar trip to that experience man. In college I remember one weekend with my girlfriend end we took a couple tabs and chilled in my room for a bit while we come up and I remember I was playing nazi zombies on my roommates tv, she was playing Mario kart on my other roommates tv and we were watching Harry potter on the 3rd tv in the room (we were alone so we could do that shit) and I tripped out hard at how amazing this experience is and how little thought I had put into the fact that I had 3 Tvs. I remembered the quote in Back To The Future "honey he's joking, nobody has TWO Tvs." I just remember thinking about how dependent we are on technology and how technology is what divides us from nature, which we seek so desperately to be separate from, when we are a part of nature and nothing we can do can break us away from it. That really tripped hard through my mind, how society is just a break-away from nature... Why don't we want to be a part of nature?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:14am
meghan333 Says:

shit. i tried to read everything you posted, i really did, but twas not to be, for i am too high. i'll try again after a nap lmao...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:28pm

I don't get why we want the things we want. But I guess there's a reason for it. And technology is pretty much anything that has been invented by a conscious being and not by nature. It's funny how some of us like to surround ourselves by our creations and some like to be surrounded by what they were created from. I like both equally

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 8:44pm

It's so ironic that everyone in developed countries are so focused on finding a mate and getting laid, or is it...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 8:47pm

also forgot to mention that this highdea totally fits your picture. also very ironic. except my first comment was a joke. It's not irony.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 4:59pm

If you're into sex you should look at Kinsey's research

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 5:35pm

Good read my friend. But I could never agree Freud's theory of sublimation because of what I do on a daily basis don't seem to apply. And your picture is very ironic.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:42pm
MrFeelgood Says:

The hippies didn't die out because of sex and indulgence. Their goals were noble, but their methods weren't practical. Its not that peace and love weren't the right ideals to look up to, its that idealism wasn't a great way to go about peace and love. There are practical, realistic ways of creating a society with compassion and freedom, but instead of creating achievable steps people just dreamed big and expected it to happen. Thats not to say their end goal wasn't achievable, but they lost hope after enough time had passed and it hadn't been achieved. If sex had been to blame, the hippie revolution would have ended just after it started in the 60s.

Sex can be just as much of an inspiration as it is an outlet for pent up energy. Freuds theories, although often quoted or referenced, are also often WRONG. Freud was NOT a great psychologist, just an arrogant one and a famed one. The ideas of sexual sublimation are also coming from the same guy who thought up wonderful ideas like "penis envy" and persistently misdiagnosed his patients due to his own childhood sexual abuse. Psychology is a field of high reflexivity, which is to say the psychological state of the psychiatrists plays a large role in the diagnosis of their patients as well as the criteria for diagnosis. Its also prone to misinformation. Psychology WOULD be simple and straight forward, IF people said what they mean. BUT, people rarely say what they mean, and one cannot be sure if what is said during therapy is an actual reflection of their beliefs, telling what you want to hear, telling you what you expect to hear, or if what you percieve about yourself is even accurate. The very gap between thought and communication is what drives the reflexivity--a psychiatrist cannot determine which if any of the aformentioned factors is true without inserting their own experiences, contaminating the data. This is why psychiatry as a whole should not be professionally practiced... At least until we create a device capable of reading minds.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 1:05am

Yeah psychology is a field full of uncertainty but you cannot say that when you're getting laid regularly that you arn't satisfied. And when you're satisfied you stop seeking the things you want, since that enormous primal part of your brain is saying "don't you fuck this up for me"

Also not a whole lot of the hippies were working with the system in order to work against it, so no progress was really made at actually changing the status quo

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 6:57am
MrFeelgood Says:

You assume sexual satisfaction is the only desire. sure it throws superficial things out the door, money, cars, power, arguably things that only exist to attract women. but they're also arguably things that pollute the world, and sexual satisfaction may lead to a better alignment of our priorities. In the words of Agent Ballard from Dollhouse,
"Nobody has everything they want. It's a survival pattern. You get what you want, you want something else. If you have everything, you want something else, something more extreme, something more specific, something perfect."
People become sexually satisfied and their minds will just make up new things to pursue

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 6:12pm
yurtpoh Says:

well maybe me still having my v-card isnt so bad...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 3:49am

i wonder if buddhist monks are able to reach a higher state of enlightenment because they have eliminated sexual desire. Also, enlightenment is reached once all worldly desires are eliminated. it may seem that if sexual desires are eliminated energy is focused and channeled towards other places like intuition, cognition, consciousness, and intelligence.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 12:57am

Have you ever seen the Dalai Lama? That is the happiest guy on the planet hands down. And he's full of more wisdom than you could ever wish to find at a university, and he's never known a woman intimately

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:16pm

Yes, this must be why I can't get laid... it's all intentional...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:57am

Oh my God... I was going to up vote this but it's 69 And it felt right to just leave it like that.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:17pm

That is. EXACTLY. What I just did.
Or didn't do..

Nice. :)