What if all religion was just a test? what if the point of religion is to weed out the strong of mind from the followers? Christians are raised that if you don't follow what you're told, you go to hell. But what if god (i use the term loosely because i don't necessarily think whatever he/she/it is, is a sentient being) made religion as a test, to reward those who are bold enough to think for themselves and question their religion. Those who blindly follow what they're told to believe are condemned to an eternity of following what they are told (hell) and the people who are strong enough to question their religion, think for themselves, and try to figure out their own unique meaning of life are rewarded with an eternity of freedom (heaven)

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Mon, 02/27/2012 - 9:56pm


Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:11am

This is an interesting take on religion. Possibly correct, but how do we really know? I'll save all of our time by letting someone else try to further enlighten us users because I really have no clue.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 1:32pm
HighGuy11 Says:

yeah i really don't know either, and neither does anybody else. if they say they do, they've just never questioned it in their life so their mind is closed to new ideas. i'd like to believe the moment just before you die you discover the true meaning of life

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:08pm
funkymonk Says:

it would make more sense the way you say it. but religion doesnt want you thinking for yourself so thats why they condemn you for it.

check out my highdea with some interesting quotes on religion


Fri, 03/02/2012 - 2:24am

This is an interesting concept, I'd rather not approach it from an agnostic perspective.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 5:40am

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Tue, 12/20/2011 - 2:51am
Ctodenbach Says:

Interesting way to look at this. It would make sense for there to be a test that is far more than following life by the book, if intact there is a god. Why would we limit ourselves to just a book?
I have a theory about "gods" existing just on another frequency then us. If you look at us 100000000x's slower were actually rapidly blinking.. That's our frequency. If you like thinking about this stuff heck out my highdea "we coexist with gods"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 6:31pm

"Religion is for people who are afraid of the dark"

-steven hawkings

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 9:55am

I hadnt been to church since I was a kid before this past Christmas when I agreed to go with my family. It was probably the last time I will ever go. I grew up going to a catholic church on a weekly basis pretty much. It wasn't until after I got out of that environment that I was able to look at things objectively and really question it. Going back there, nothing made sense. A gathering of hundreds of people in a room, facing one speaker who leads them. You sit when he says sit, stand when he says stand. Sing the songs of his choice, and chant the same "prayers" in unison. Confess your sins, promise not to question his teachings and believe that everything that happens is part of a greater (god's) plan and there is little you can do to change it. They preach that followers should fear god. Fear? Strange tactic. That doesn't sound like a system based on love and forgiveness or the good you can do. That is a fucking cult.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 6:00pm

I totally agree with this. We should all use our own brains to decide what is true and what is not. Toke on! ;)

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 8:08pm
Chinookk Says:
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Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:59pm

Dude don't make fun of me because I worship cloth.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 9:04pm
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:53pm
Spanki Says:

You know what's annoying... baptism. I grew up in a catholic family and it's like I was baptized as a baby. I didn't choose too, I didn't know, I don't even remember it! It's like when kyle clicked agree with out reading the terms and conditions. I question my religion a lot. And while I don't believe in what the bible says, I believe in what it means. Like I think that everyone took it way to literal.. The bible is probably just one huge ass highdea, that's trying to convey such a complex idea, that it has to use stories. It has to use things that make sense to other people. But my biggest problem with religion is not necisarily that I don't believe in god (I don't know if I do.. Even though it's happier and easier to cope that there is one) but what I have a hard time is being in a group. I've never liked that.. Like for example me and you could share the same thoughts about something. Say we both like The Rolling Stones..... do we HAVE to now go make a group bonding us together? Why can't we both like them and just have our own beliefs... well that's my problem and while i'm not only having a hard time putting it into words, I even have a hard time thinking about what I mean exactly.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:30pm

The only reason I don't like the Bible is because of how specific it is and how that parallels every other religion. I definitely agree with the morals the people who wrote it were trying to lay down for society, but the precision of what it means to be good and bad is what gets me. I hate when people say that they are Catholic and yet they do not follow the rules of Catholicism. When people have sex out of wedlock, they are no longer Catholic, and yet, they will dismiss it as "something God won't care about." If he doesn't care, then why was it in the fucking book? Atheist btdubs in case you were wondering.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 10:39pm
Spanki Says:

I agreed with you for quite a while.. until I came to the conclusion hat the people you are referring to are the ignorant ones. Tonight I went to ccd and came home INFURIATED to the point that I had made my mind up that I 100% DID NOT want to make my confirmation. I thought that while I shared the belief of what the bible means, I did not believe in all the restrictions. And I don't, and I don't think god wants us to anyways. What made me so mad is that they told me that gay marriage, divorce, not going to church on sundays, was prohibited. They told me that if a man get's married then divorced that he can no longer be a priest. Why? Because "god does not accept divorce, it is against the religion" NOOOOO!!!!! God never said that... that's just one man's interpretation. If you talk to an educated priest, you will realize that the church isn't all about following rules, and trying to be as perfect as you can so you can get to heaven. NO all religion is saying is to be a good person... do good to other and accept yourself. I totally agree that the catholic religion is in need of some serious change. It will take time, but we have to take the focus off of what is and that that's the only way. Because that's not what it is all about AT ALL. I was always so quick to say THERE IS NO GOD THERE IS NO GOD! because they made it seem like he was an actual being.. but really god and what he stands for in religion is just to be a good person. It's a small group of ignorant christians that tell you "DONT BE GAY!" "GO TO CHURCH!" or you'll go to hell. But they are also the only ones left. They are stuck in the mind set of what used to be.. Church needs to evolve with society or it will no longer exist. You can't say society is at fault because they don't want to be priests and go to church.. Because saying gay marriage is not allowed will only push people away. And shame on them for thinking that their way is the only way. I think society is too fast paced and quick too judge.. A lot of Atheists turn to atheism with out even giving the religion a chance. And when I say the religion I don't mean what they have made of it, and that you can't believe in evolution.. because that totally is all out dated.

Christianity really is in need of SERIOUS change.. it needs to update itself.. and be portrayed more as the good rather than what people make it seem.

I'm not trying to convert you at all, I hope it doesn't seem like that.. I'm just trying to say don't take what a small group of people make the religion seem like to be what it really is. Cause it's not.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 8:02pm
jessicas09 Says:

ok. so church needs to evolve with society? doesnt that support that church and religion is MAD MADE? if you have read the bible, the people who say gay marriage is wrong are jsut following what the lord has said. In the bible. And no. athiests dont turn to athiesm without giving religion a chance. I and many like myself have given religion a lifetime of chance. and then got old enough to think for themselves. and actually look in to what religion is all about. the evilness and mindlessness it promotes. Do some independent research. Actually READ the bible. try and add up the dates and holes all throughout the bible. And..for some easy learning to get you started: I recommend watching The God Who Wasnt There.

Christianity it evil. A tool created by man to control the masses. Dont be a drone. LEARN something and think for yourself.

look up the history of christianity. look up how the message got spread after jesus died. try looking up the inquistion. do some research my friend. set yourself free from the evil ideas of religion. Be brave. God does not exist.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 11:55pm
Spanki Says:

That's still my biggest problem with religion... It does not let one think for themselves I agree. That was my biggest reason, and still is one of them. I'm back and forth with it. To me it's okay to share the same ideas as christianity but I still don't want to be apart of it. AND YES RELIGION IS MAN MADE! And all the evilness is what i'm talking about that needs change.. if we make religion something more broad and not strict to a set of rules that make one think that "YOU HAVE TO BE A CLONE TO BE IT" then it would flourish. And it's so hard for me to explain what I mean when I say there is a god..because i don't believe there is someone up in the sky..or even anything.. i mean it more as the idea of doing good to others. It's so hard for me to put into words....and i'm not some crazy christian. I believe whole heartily in exactly what you said but at the same time, you can't say it's evil. What's evil about it, is what people THINK it is, and not what it is.

Plus my biggest problem with it is that whatever it says in religion is just all what one man interpreted..

I know im contradicting myself but thats my point.. I don't know what I want to do with it.. so far I like the idea of sharing some the same ideas but letting myself be my own "religion"

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 6:46pm

Spanki, I think you need to realize that the entire purpose of religion IS for people to see things through a fixed perspective where everything that is right and wrong is cut and dry.Religion cannot get any broader otherwise it would not be religion. You are not a part of the religion you think you are because you don't believe in a conscious creator; you are talking about spirituality and that is what you've been describing as what you practice. Spirituality and religion are two completely different things so please do not blend them any further.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 6:30pm

uhh true Christianity is not evil. The zealots that fought in the Crusades for their God were evil. Christ himself was a metaphysician and a proponent of peace and love found in this lifetime, not killing to ensure a spot in Heaven.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 6:21am

Not to go all marx on you guys but yeah religion is the opium of the masses. To make people content with what they have and believe that if they do as they are told then they will be rewarded in the afterlife. I also think that there is a difference to make between Jesus Christ and his teachings and church institutions. In the past, the church has been incredibly hypocritical and has often caused more pain than relief.
Personally I feel I am agnostic and rather believe that it is impossible to know for sure. But I do lean more towards atheism. To me it just seems more probable.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 6:27pm

I just can't stand subscribing to something where I have to sit in a room with a bunch of sheep waiting to be led around. I don't think religion can evolve and change because wouldn't they have changed the rules that God himself supposedly laid down? If there is an Almighty, I don't think he would like us tinkering with his rules to appease our own wills. Believe whatever you would like to believe but I think it's all a fear and power based fallacy. By the way i think you are just a Christian, not a Catholic. As previously mentioned there is no wiggle room in a religion my friend.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:32pm
Spanki Says:

What I said up there isn't ALL of what I think..i'm just trying to look at the other side of it.

And I have realized ALL of that I still believe it.. but the other day I had a talk with my mom which made me question what i was questioning before. Again I repeat, I probably will not make my confirmation because there is too much I do not believe in. (Heaven, higher being, being a "follower") Religion was first created so they could have answers for things they couldn't even imagine answering.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:02pm

i dont think it's as simple as that, religion can teach many things that i believe god would want us to learn...
the thing is to let the words guide your heart, not to guide your heart based only on the words. there is no one way to live right, we all have our unique paths to follow, religion is simply there to provide stories and lessons that we might learn from. but like you said, those who take it too literally, and take it as their only way of thinking, then they are blind to the truths that can only come from within.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:35pm

I agree and disagree, while some value can be extracted, I feel that religions are obsolete. The lessons that can be learned from religions can be learned without actually subscribing to any of them in my humblest of humble opinions.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 6:50pm

in what way can we learn the things that buddhism teaches us? though buddhism covers many things that coincide with modern science and even quantum physics, they cover truths in ways that no other medium can describe.
i think science, philosophy, and religion are important aspects that must be combined to have a broad perspective on humanity and reality.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 6:49pm

I meant learning of self really, anyone can meditate and think introspectively without the guide of a religion.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:11pm

Holy fuck I typed like 8 paragraphs and my fucking ipod closed the tab.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:19pm
Paki420 Says:

Did anyone else just really lose focus when he used the word weed in a context other than marijuana in a sentence?

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:23pm
Thu, 05/17/2012 - 8:33am
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:23pm

Here we go, my take on religion is that it is rooted either in the pit of man's fear of mortality or in the manipulative minds of people seeking control. My beef with Catholicism, and even in a broader sense Christianity, is that people have warped what Jesus actually taught. Jesus was a great metaphysician and he spoke of finding "God" in oneself and in the world around you, not that there was an angry sky king that was going to send you to Hell for working on Sunday. Look up Emmet Fox and Eric Butterworth if you are interested in metaphysics, they have put out some fascinating stuff, particularly Fox's "Sermon on the Mount." I think that belief in a creator stems from the sheer disbelief that we could be the "end all be all" and began when man was just starting to prosper into the kindlings of a social being. It is completely understandable to see how tiny we are compared to mountain ranges, bodies of water, and even other animals and come to the conclusion that we cannot be all there is to this world.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 12:28am

You know you just voiced what i have believed in a . . . .
shit i forgot. i started thinking about cheech and chong because of my captcha.

i'm sure it was deep. oh well.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 1:29am
Kitterbee Says:

Dude this highdea is awesome because I think the SAME exact shit. Well, very VERY similar. If you haven't read this highdea already, you really should. Both parts. I didn't write it, but after I read it I was like "Wow.. that makes complete sense" and that's pretty much what I believe now o.O

Part one: http://highdeas.com/hd/If_you_choose_not_to_decide_you_still_have_made_a_choice

Part two: http://highdeas.com/hd/If_you_choose_to_die_read_this_This_is_the_afterlife

fucking mindblowing.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 1:51am

Yeah man, christianity has come a long way from the 17 century... You're ignorant. They all teach exactly what you are saying hahaha. Maybe they got stoned and thought to loosen up!

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 12:27pm
HighGuy11 Says:

i mean it's not fair to call me ignorant on the subject, i used to go to church every weekend, i sat through countless hours of sunday school as a kid, and i even did confirmation classes and when the time came, I said no, I will not become confirmed. I did not believe everything on earth could possibly be explained by just a book and a group of people who take the book way too seriously. There's got to be something greater out there that nobody can even explain.
this highdea really does not represent my religious views, it was just a a stoned thought that i thought was an interesting take on organized religion. the truth is, I don't think "God" exists, at least in a way that any existing religions portray him as. I beleive there is some kind of guiding energyout there, that doesn't consciously interfere, but gives subtle nudges to certain things to guide them on the right path. everything in the universe is connected and guided by this energy. but idk haha it's crazy to think about all that kind of shit. eat some shrooms and start your own religion lol

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 1:47pm
Whoopswag Says:

but what if its real and heaven is as good as they say it is and hell is as shitty..... do u thing 100 years of doin whatever u want would be worth missin out on heaven

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 7:57pm
jake_ Says:

See whoopswag, you are a perfect example of how the "Fear Tactic" of religion is vicously exploiting human being's fears and insecurites. What's scarier than being told you will live in a fiery pit if you don't believe and suppor the church? They use this fear that humans naturally have of dying and tell them, your death will be worse than your life if you don't be a Christian

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 6:52pm

Yes, free will kicks the shit out of eternal paradise any day.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 6:37pm

this is an interesting take on things except your forgetting one well known fact. Christianity itself was condemned by "the man" originally. are you forgetting Nero? google it. the bible does not tell us these things, history does. to believe in Jesus was to think unlike others and in turn surrender your life to the coliseum and become a gladiator. Seems like believers are the strong ones after all. Someone didn't go to college. Stupid stoners.
#NotAChristian #JustEducated

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 7:59pm
jake_ Says:

Too condescending. But you do bring up a valid point. Anyways it was just a theory, which sparked discussion.

#hashtags arent cool

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 2:28am
HighGuy11 Says:

yes, it started off as a new way of thinking, but it didn't take long for it to become the societal norm in many places. somehow since it's beginnings it has evolved into more of a scare tactic for being good in life, than the enlightening roots it began with. christianity may have started as a kind of rebellion, but nowadays it has changed so it's engrained in our society as "correct", and many people just never open their minds to the possibility of other thoughts

... and i'm in college, BITCH. and talking down about stoners? on highdeas.com? why are you here? before you bring your condescending ass in here you've gotta realize that even though your argument is correct it's not the only correct argument that exists. and that's the whole problem in the first place, if religious people would just accept that maybe, just maybe other people might be right too, then humanity would have missed out on hundreds of wars. or maybe even the fact that nobody could be right. nobody knows everything, and nobody knows anything about the afterlife for sure


Wed, 02/29/2012 - 8:53pm

Or what if religion was a test by the government or the man (whatever you wanna call it) to see if we would eat up the bullshit and they are really sitting somewhere laughing because 86percent (estimate) of the people are simply gulliable. And with that info they can feed more bullshit to us...like us Landing on the moon. I don't believe this is accurate but how fucked would that be???

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 7:06am

Then I suppose I would pass the test haha! If it hadn't been ground into your brain since you were born, you wouldn't believe this shit today. If you were in your twenties an no one had ever told you about this religion or the bible an you suddenly see this book somewhere an decide to give it a read, would you think, "these are the answers I was looking for! it all makes sense now!" No, you wouldn't. You'd throw that shit away because it's outlandish and ridiculous. I chose to question it for personal reasons, but I saw through the bullshit. I was tired of trying to convince myself of something I don't think.is there. I'll respect peoples beliefs, as long as they respect mine. But so far all I've gotten is people thinking I'm in league with "Satan", an they're praying for me, etc. it's pathetic and I wish they would atop. But I've often wondered something like this myself. What if it's all just a test? hmmm. guess we'll find out! haha

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 2:36am

I plan on adding this to my philosophy now; I already decided the congregations are for the people who refuse to take a personal "is this what a logical god would ask?" approach to religion, I saw no reason to trust rituals designed to look and sound pretty by their institutions and instead ask myself what I think my god really cares about. I'm taking no more and no less of a chance than they are, and I prove a depth of thought that any true god would respect of his child.

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 12:34am

This is exactly the way I've been living my life, I've been trying to put it in words and you did it for me, thank you.