Submitted by SamuelLjackson on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:54pm
Ive been reading alot about this guy named phil schneider who worked for the government in their ''black'' projects and was somebody who helped build underground military bases. This is a huge story that i wont put into this highdea but some of the main things i was interested in was that he had known about the aliens that were living in the underground bases he helped build. According to him there are 9 races of them here. and some of them are benevolent and some are not. He said that one works for the pentagon and the government because of his vast intelligence. Apprently this little guy knows all the languages in the world including his own, And has been helping creating technology for years. And that they have to wear full body suits because they carrys harmfull bacteria and diseases that humans cant come in contact with. This man gave many speachs about his experiences and was murdered and tortured 2 years after he did all these lectures. It is clear the government wanted him dead. Youtube his name and watch the videos if you want more info.
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I know that I'm going to get a lot of flack for this, but I find the notion that extraterrestrial life has visited the earth to be absolutely ridiculous. There probably is intelligent life out there, so I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. However, the nearest star is 4 light years from us, and the nearest star that has planets that might be able to support life is about 12 light years away. Let's assume that the planet does have life, which is a giant assumption as it is. Now, let's assume that the life on the planet evolved into some intelligent form of life. Even still, we must assume that the lifeforms are capable of designing a vehicle that can travel light years across space in a timely manner. Another assumption that we have to make is that the resources to actually construct and fuel such a vehicle are available, else the vehicle can't possibly ever be constructed. We also have to assume that the aliens have a method of keeping the crew on their vehicle alive in the middle of space for a minimum of years without starving to death or running out of stuff to breathe. Another assumption is that such an alien can survive coming out of microgravity despite being it it for years. The last assumption that we have to make is that the aliens are capable of navigating through space without being able to contact their home planet. After all, the time that it takes to send messages to and from a vehicle in space is dependent on the speed of light (constant) and the distance from the home planet (increasing over time). Even if we assume that all of these wildly enormous assumptions are all true, we still haven't considered the amount of kinetic energy that it would take to achieve the fastest speeds possible to travel to the earth. The kinetic energy per unit mass to get close to the speed of light is E/m=((1-v^2/c^2)^(-1/2)-1)c^2. Going from 10 percent to 99.9 percent of the speed of light by increments of 10 percent, the actual values for energy per unit mass are 4.52x10^14 J/kg, 1.85x10^15 J/kg, 4.34x10^15 j/kg, 8.19x10^15 J/kg, 1.39x10^26 J/kg, 2.45x10^16 J/kg, 3.60X10^16 J/kg, 5.99x10^16, 1.16x10^17 J/kg, 1.92x10^18 J/kg, and that's for objects of just one kilogram. Any vehicle capable of space travel will be at least 10000 kg, perhaps even over 100000 kg, so you can do the math as to how much energy that would be. Also, the amount of energy to both speed up the vehicle and to slow it down to come to earth would be double the energy values that I posted.
Now I know that some idiot is going to come along saying something along the lines of, "what if the aliens have some superior technology/energy source that we haven't discovered." To me, that just sounds like a baseless what if scenario that can't be backed up without making the assumption that aliens actually have traveled here, which is make the case the possibility of alien travel a circular argument. Without the assumption that makes the argument necessarily circular, the "what if" scenario that I described is a special pleading fallacy. I also predict that some UFO moron is going to come in with some story about something about some weird shit that they saw, and then make the argument from ignorance fallacy to justify that it was an alien spacecraft. I bet that some fan of that piece of shit show from History Channel is going to show up here peddling the pseudoscience/pseudohistory that's been promoted on the show. If aliens have never been to Earth, then Phil Schneider, as well as the alien shows on History Channel are necessarily full of shit, for obvious reasons. I bet that some conspiracy theorist idiot is going to try to use the death of Schneider, combined with a correlation implies causation fallacy, to try to justify that there was some government cover up, that Schneider was correct, both or more.
BTW, I'm way more likely to respond to private messages than to forum posts, but I'll do my best to respond to things posted here in response to what I said.
Let the shitstorm commence!
Kk so, number 1: No, I very well can't do the math, I have no idea what any of that means (just sayin)
Number 2: wormholes could be the answer to travel over such distance in such little time.
Wormholes are something that the mathematics of general relativity allows for, but wormholes can't actually be created. There is no evidence to support the existence of any naturally occurring wormholes, especially not ones near the earth.
It sucKs that no one is on your side cause you were being such a dick about it, but the idea of a visit from e.t.'s is ridiculous.
Yes- travel would require a wormhole or a fold in space and times without either, it ain't possible:
1) the theory of General Relativity may allow for a wormhole, but our understanding of physics is currently flawed, with a large mathematical gap between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics (quantum gravity is the study to connect the two man-made theories). This uncertainty of theories gives grounds to say that the mathematics of GR hiccuped, creating the speculation of wormholes.
2) bending space-time is ridiculous! Haha idk much about it, but what kind of tool or substance is going to be able to fold what you are looking at right now? IF IT IS POSSIBLE, how would a living being such as an alien survive that bend in space-time, I mean he would get all bent outta shape too!
3) maybe that government guy is crazy and thought a co-worker was an aliens because of his looks. I mean this "government guy" was just a construction worker! I'm gonna watch those videos now tho, see what's good.
"It sucKs that no one is on your side cause you were being such a dick about it, but the idea of a visit from e.t.'s is ridiculous."
I bet that's mainly a reaction to me calling people that might post the various half-brained responses that i outlined idiots.
I agree that our current understanding of physics in incomplete. GR works great at explaining the universe on a large scale, but is useless at explaining the micro scale. QM is the other way around.
Well.... I wouldn't trust all your physics yet. Michio Kaku has said several times that when they finally "find" the answer (or Theory of Everything), it could be the answer to everything, or it could be the realization that all physics is wrong. I mean, I'm no physicist (nevermind a theoretical physicist), but there are admittedly huge gaps in how these theories work, and a couple contradict each other. Sooo, who knows... I say, if ya see an alien your wrong... And if ya don't...... You could still be wrong. Just remember not every living thing in this Universe is gonna be carbon-based (they could here, we just can't see em ) :S I love theories, they're so much fun
whoa man, whats with all the name calling? someone isnt a "idiot" if they come along saying something along the lines of, "what if the aliens have some superior technology/energy source that we haven't discovered." Its just theories, people enjoy creating theories, no need to resort to name calling. Everything in this world started out being explained as a theory, even gravity. Also, the scientific minds that created all these theories in our history were also called "idiots" and "morons" by the mass majority, but thankfully they were smart enough to not listen to the constant ridicule. And that makes me think...what technological advancements do we not have today because people couldnt handle the constant ridicule and gave up on a theory? Thats a damn shame. A Damn Shame.
I was going to say a lot about this comment, but your ridicule got me(ironic, considering the above paragraph), and now im turned off on it. maybe later.
That guy who first commented got really heated over this lol
i watched all 7 videos of his and i thought they were interesting. shame he died though.
*slow clap*
Excellent way of putting it my good sir. Stoned-Physicist also happens to be closed-minded physicist right now.
Sometimes a wealth of knowledge on a certain subject can prevent a person from accepting abstract ideas about that subject, preventing them from thinking outside the box.
@steevner
I'm probably more open-minded that you are. Being open-minded means that one accepts that ideas can either be true or false and basing one's opinions on the truth or falsehood of an idea based on the evidence in favor or against said idea. It does NOT mean giving credence to every idea that everyone throws out there. There's an excellent video on open-mindedness that I would post, except for the fact that youtube just doesn't want to load on my computer right now.
@yoinkie
My favorite blogger has this phrase "pyromaniac in a field of strawman," and it might be applicable here. No, I wasn't calling anyone an idiot because they said, "what if the aliens have some superior technology/energy source that we haven't discovered." What I said is that the people who generally say that are idiots. I don't think you have a firm grasp as to what a theory is. Every scientific explanation started out as a hypothesis, not a theory, which is something that the "what if the aliens have some superior technology/energy source that we haven't discovered" idea doesn't even qualify as. Also, to paraphrase Carl Sagan, the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. Yes, they laughed at Galileo and the Wright Brothers, but they also laughed at the dipshits that get arrested on Cops. Also, James Clerk Maxwell, who is one of the most influential physicists and whose work revolutionized the world was not laughed at. In fact, many great scientists made many great discoveries without being met with ridicule. Also, for every Galileo, Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein, there are countless other scientists and mathematicians who were laughed at that nobody regards as geniuses. Why? Because they were wrong! Ever hear of Jozef Wronski? I bet not. If it weren't for the couple of things that he did get right, he'd have been completely forgotten. Why? Because the vast majority of his ideas were nonsense.
LMAO. You dont think I have a firm grasp on what a theory is? And then you go on to try and explain the difference between a hypothesis and a theory? To me? Do you think this is the 11th grade, and your my teacher?
This conversation is over. I dont bash your intelligence, I just discuss how I dont like your approach to conversations. But you obviously no NOTHING about me, seeing that you are trying to bash my intelligence. Go home kid, I have forgotten more things in my life than you will ever learn.
@yoinkie
If you use the word theory incorrectly, then one can rationally assume that you don't have a firm grasp on what it means. Don't get all butthurt when people point it out. I've never bashed your intelligence. If you think that I did, then I guess that shows how your reading skills are, which is ironic given that you write some damn good stuff. Personally, I'm fine that this conversation is over. I'd rather have a discussion with someone that doesn't repeatedly strawman my positions. Later.
You did use it incorrectly and then followed that by getting all defensive when he called you out on it. And I love when people say they are ending the argument like you're so mature and wise. StonedP is just a better conversator and you couldn't handle it
Thank you for spreading peace. And just to elaborate (I'm sorry... I'm a space junkie), technically.... Gravity is still kind of a theory. I mean.. We know it's here, which makes it a law, but there is still actually no understanding on how it works, unless you explain... In theory
When it comes to traveling distances that far the only two viable options would be wormholes OR warping space time itslef. Draw a dot on 2 ends of a piece of paper. Going from one dot to the other in a line would take 1 billion years but if you fold the paper to make the dots touch, (warp the fabric of space time) the distance is drastically reduced if not non-existent. That would take intellegence far beyond what we are capable of now but who's to say advanced "aliens" can't do it.
You say this would take intelligence far beyond our years. Pfft sir i warp the shit out of space and time when i do shrooms and smoke weed.
I say it because there are a lot of huge assumptions that can't be justified that must be made in order to support the idea that aliens have visited earth.
i like what youre trying to do man. but you just cant speak logic and science to most people. the more fun and practical thing to do is just make fun of them! maybe then theyll question why theyre getting laughed at a fuckin read a book or somethin.
yea, the poor grammar and shit is purposeful, its kinda ironic given what i just said. hehe. FLAME HO!
Advanced Technology.
& you weren't there bro. The universe is bigger than your head. There are things that none of us could imagine. You don't know who's here or who's been here. I believe they exist & i believe that some have been here posing as god, others as humans and others just as themselves. Seeing how humans weren't the 1st things to live in the universe, there could have beeen anything here before us( there totally has) or advancing before we were even thought of. Proof is out there dude you just have to find it. & when you do find it be ready to suffer the consequences.
"Proof is out there dude you just have to find it. & when you do find it be ready to suffer the consequences."
While the case for the existence of extraterrestrials is strong, there is not a shred of evidence that they ever visited earth.
oh yeah there totally is. theres alot of evidence. look at ancient Sumerian hieroglyphics, theres fuckin space ships on them! and that was right around the time we primitive humans "came up with" mathematics, tools, languages, shit maybe even things like medicine. theres evidence all around you.
and in your first post i was dissapointed in your lack of trust for people who say they had genuine experiences with extra terrestrials, u may be smarter than the average human(which sadly isnt saying much lol) but who are you to tell someone what they saw or didnt, now im sure there are LOTS of people bullshitting about it, but im also sure there are legit stories too, whether you believe them or not.
"look at ancient Sumerian hieroglyphics, theres fuckin space ships on them!"
If you look at our art, you will find loads of elaborately detailed drawings of creatures that are not found in nature at all, as well as pictures of technology that simply does not exist on earth. According to your logic, I could say that they are real drawings of extraterrestrials and extraterrestrial technology. Also, the ancient astronaut theories are not accepted by most archaeologists who study the hieroglyphs of ancient cultures and have been debunked, over and over.
"that was right around the time we primitive humans "came up with" mathematics, tools, languages, shit maybe even things like medicine."
Actually, the earliest record of mathematical knowledge was around 35000BCE with the mathematical bone. Basic mathematics existed long before the Sumerians came around, and the mathematics that the Sumerians did come up with doesn't hold a candle to the mathematics of the last 500 years. Tools were invented a much longer time before mathematics, possibly up to 2.5 million years ago. Languages evolved naturally and might even predate tool use. Also, modern evidence shows that human might not be the only animals that use languages. Dolphins might have developed it as well. Medicine might have been a more recent invention, but the medicine that ancient cultures used is not used today because it is incredibly primitive and often does not work. You'd think that if aliens are capable of building a vehicle that can travel light years across space, that they would have excellent medicine and that they would bring advanced doctors on board. If so, why was ancient medicine not very good?
"who are you to tell someone what they saw or didnt,"
Anecdotal evidence is one of the lowest forms of evidence possible. If I am to take the anecdotes of someone who claims to have had an experience with extraterrestrials seriously, then they need to be able to back up their claims with evidence that can be tested.
Obviously the aliens came through a stargate c'mon that's basic physics
Ah yes, the good old argument from ignorance fallacy. We don't know how ancient humans could have built X, therefore aliens did it! Get real.
Stonedphycist,
I completely agree with you. Your post is rationally, probably the most correct post here.
I think that it would be ignorant to say that other life forms don't exist, somewhere in space.
But to think that we have been contacted, let alone visited by extra-terrestrials is kind of ridiculous.
PS. Wish I could upvote your comment like 20 more times.
pretty much everything u said is totally possible(hypothetically) shit look life on earth, according to your logic we shouldn't even exist but here we are, and look how we've advanced. we can do most of the things you said wasn't possible for aliens. also think about how huge space is, there's probably millions of planets out there, what are the odds that this is the only one that supports intelligent life?
If you're interested on the subject check these videos out too. The guy on this video claims that laser technology came from extraterrestrials. I'm not sure of it's legitimacy but still fun to watch when you're nice and baked.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e7EL5ESsvw&feature=channel_video_title
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHMK6rnSAM&feature=relmfu
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxY9zJWC37I&feature=relmfu
if you don't think e.t's have visited our planet your fucking sober. pyramids were formed how? there ain't no way in hell egyptians could of done that. also, if you can't travel to space your self and find out. you will never know. government cover's up a lot of shit, kind of like chemtrails. fuck the government.
Uhh the Egyptians definitely built the pyramids using slave labour and Also if we can't travel to space and find out what? We've been to space there isn't much more we can learn by just going into space
haha, anybody see the revelance to my highdea about e.t's? im glad im somehow spreading the word to phil schneider and bob dean and their interviews. more people need to pay attention.
first wormholes are possibe they exisit in theroy but they are smaller than you could see second you could expand it wit enough energy third there are nine types of aliens according to phil schneider who the fuck would stop the bad aliens last if there are aliens they would smoke the herb
aliens have to had visited earth before theres no other way to explain the pyramids for one and how cultures on opposite sides of the earth had (gods/people they worshipped and prayed to) that are depicted as almost the exact same person/thing.
The Egyptians used slave labour it's not that mysterious and how did people have gods that resemble eachother? Humans create false gods in their image so yeah you're wrong
Slave labor alone wouldn't build the huge pyramids. Imagine how.many slaves it would take to hall those huge megalythic blocks. Plus the slave labor needed to cuts those thousand ton blocks.
Yeah the had a lot of slaves. And those things didn't get built overnight they spend decades at least on each on
I bet the aliens name is Bibbles! No one will probably get this reference.
You should check out Bob Dean, he has a similar story. Specificly "project camelot" on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s7c15K4kLo
if any of you have netflix, look up "Ancient Aliens" and watch the first few episodes. that shit'll blow your mind
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